Wednesday, October 13, 2010

Too Much Fantasy, Not Enough Reality, in Cryonics

A member of the Cold Filter cryonics forum has spent more than a week, arguing with Mr. Robert Ettinger, (a great mind and the "Father of Cryonics"), about what constitutes a hydrogen atom. Luke Parris seems to be arguing that drawings on paper, or digitalized simulations, can be hydrogen atoms. In some very desperate attempts, he resorts to semantics, arguing that his simulation is "real." He seemed to think Mr. Ettinger would ignore that fact that, while it is a real SIMULATION, it is still NOT a genuine hydrogen atom.

Now, Luke wants to argue that, if he were to visit an alien world, his definition of the word "human" might be different than that of the inhabitants. That's just fantasyland. We're here, on earth, Mr. Ettinger is not an alien, (and neither is Luke, so far as I know), and people attempting to engage in scientific discussion MUST use the accepted definitions of known terms.

Judging by his bizarre arguments, it seems Luke probably thinks that if he draws an atom on a piece of paper, and then rips his drawing in half, he has accomplished nuclear fission, which begs the question, "If Luke tears a stack of drawings of atoms in half, will he blow himself up?"

Luke's entire argument has been BEYOND ridiculous and absurd. Not only that, but he has been disrepectful to Mr. Ettinger, throughout the discussions. The only redeeming features of the discussion have been Mr. Ettinger's arguments, and more than anything, Mr. E's hilarious remarks, (such as calling Luke's argument a "simulation of a discussion." )

Mr. Ettinger says "enough," in response to Luke's total nonsense, and wants to know where he has "failed to make things clear." Mr. Ettinger did not fail; his side of the argument was crystal clear. It is Luke who has failed to comprehend the perfectly clear and logical arguments, presented by Mr. Ettinger.

Luke's entire history of posting, on the Cold Filter forum, has been largely comprised of illogical arguments for far-out ideas. That's the problem with cryonics, too many people are engaging in make-believe, and there's a tremendous deficit of common sense and rational logic.

For anyone who has time to waste, and wants a good laugh, here are links to the discussions:

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